Hon. (Dr.) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) On a point of order, Hon. Speaker. Yes, Senior Counsel, Hon. Otiende Amollo. (Several Members walked into the Chamber) Hon. (Dr.) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) Hon. Speaker, as the other Members make their way to the Chamber, I rise under Standing Order 1, as...

Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Hon. Deputy Speaker What is your point of order, Hon. Otiende Amollo? Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. My colleague and Co-chairman elsewhere, Hon. Chepkonga, should hold his horses. A point...

Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Hon. Deputy Speaker What is your point of order, Hon. Otiende Amollo? Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. My colleague and Co-chairman elsewhere, Hon. Chepkonga, should hold his horses. A point...

Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) I wrote to your good Office on 21st November, raising 15 different points on why, in my opinion, the Conflict of Interest Bill stands unconstitutional in its present form. I will highlight just three points because I took the liberty to copy the letter...

Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I will take a shorter time.

Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM)Okay. Deepening, widening and

Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Speaker. The Deputy Leader of the Majority Party tabled various reports and among them was a Report of the 16th Meeting of the Bureau of East African Community (EAC) Speakers of the National Legislatures and the East African Legislative Assembly which...

Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Speaker. These games will be held between 7th and 18th of December in Kigali, Rwanda, under the theme ‘For a progressive, peaceful and all-inclusive East African Community’. 22nd November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 15 Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM)Two things...

Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Hon. Wamuchomba and Hon. Melly are encouraged to make use of those rooms. (Laughter)

Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) I am duly corrected by the Speaker. (Loud consultations)(Laughter)

Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) Hon. Deputy Speaker, the Leader of the Majority Party cannot be on a point of order while I am on a point of order. This is the guidance I am seeking from you.

Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) On a point of order.

Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) Hon. Deputy Speaker, I would like your guidance. I will wait until you are done consulting. (Hon. Deputy Speaker consulted the Clerk-at-the Table) I wish to get your guidance on a fundamental matter. This being a House of debate, usually the minority will have...

Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) Is it in line with the Standing Orders for the Minority side to be clearly denied their say and way?

Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I support the Point of Order by the Leader of the Minority Party. I want us to address this matter as a united House, and not in terms of our partisan divisions. These are consequential matters in terms of...

Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) Hon. Deputy Speaker, thank you for you ruling. We are guided by the House rules and procedures, so we must accept that ruling whether we agree with it or not. But from your ruling, you have clearly guided that under Standing Order 89 what...

Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) Hon. Deputy Speaker, the Leader of the Majority Party cannot be on a point of order while I am on a point of order. This is the guidance I am seeking from you.

Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) On a point of order.

Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) Hon. Deputy Speaker, I would like your guidance. I will wait until you are done consulting. (Hon. Deputy Speaker consulted the Clerk-at-the Table) I wish to get your guidance on a fundamental matter. This being a House of debate, usually the minority will have...

Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) Is it in line with the Standing Orders for the Minority side to be clearly denied their say and way?

Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I support the Point of Order by the Leader of the Minority Party. I want us to address this matter as a united House, and not in terms of our partisan divisions. These are consequential matters in terms of...

Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) Hon. Deputy Speaker, thank you for you ruling. We are guided by the House rules and procedures, so we must accept that ruling whether we agree with it or not. But from your ruling, you have clearly guided that under Standing Order 89 what...

Hon (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chair. Hon. Kaluma, I want to help. Let me help Hon. Owen Baya understand the earlier ruling by the substantive Speaker. As the Speaker ruled, some of us had written to him for amendments, but they were not incorporated on...

Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I did not want to speak to this clause, but I want to persuade Hon. Pukose. On a closer reading of this clause, Hon. Kaluma may be right because of the use of the word ‘or.’ If you remove the words,...

Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) As I speak to the proposal by Hon. (Dr) Nyikal and his explanation of the meaning of the word compounded, I then beg to understand from him, Hon. (Dr) Pukose and the Committee, whether it is the opinion that under Clause 22 (3) ,...

Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I actually have the benefit of having discussed this with Dr Pukose, and we are in agreement. It is only that procedurally we had to move. I had initially thought that the suggestion by Hon. Gikaria would carry us faster. That...

Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. As the Committee Chairperson considers that, if you look at the Bill as originally drafted, it appears that Clause 21 was tailored for the Cabinet Secretary to be in charge of this process, but now we are changing this...

Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) As a point of order, Hon. Temporary Chairlady, first of all, I think we are becoming more rigid than the way we were guided to proceed. Because that rigidity will lead us to spoil this mood. I have my written amendments and the Speaker...

Hon (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) First, I support the Chair of the Committee. In truth, Hon. Dawood has explained it. As I understand this, the first is a basic degree in pharmacy. Thereafter, one is allowed to have a master’s degree in anything. You can even have a Master’s...

Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari) : Hon. (Dr) Otiende, what is out of order? Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I respect Dr Pukose, and the intention of both the...

Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I have proposed amendments which I will move. I have shared with Dr Pukose and we are in agreement. I have an issue with what has been spoken to first. The difference I see in what is being proposed for amendment...

Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) My further amendment is a simple one. 24th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 23 Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM)Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, Clause7(b) be further amendment by deleting the word “is” and substituting therefor the words “has been.” and...

Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. For the reasons that we have just discussed and given the ambit of this criminal net, I would oppose the enhancement. If anything, I would have lowered the bar, either in terms of amount or years...

Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) Hon. Temporary Speaker, aside from that, I do not have a problem with the Bill as it is. I have said that I support it. However, I have a problem with two aspects of some sections of the Report of the Committee which I...

Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. At the onset, I would like to congratulate the Committee for bringing this Bill which I support. It rationalises this area, among others. It brings issues that fall under the Pharmacy and Poisons Act and Food, Drugs and Chemical...