Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Hon. Speaker, I cannot raise the same issue after your wise decision. Since we are meeting Cabinet Secretaries in plenary tomorrow, Hon. Melly could raise the issue with your Office if the response given in tomorrow’s morning sitting is unsatisfactory. I rise under...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) I thought the issue could only be dealt with by the substantive Speaker, not the Chair of the Committee of the whole House. Otherwise, the Chair would have to return to your seat to…

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) I am sorry, Hon. Speaker.

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) On a point of order, Hon. Speaker.

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. We need to proceed. Let me thank Members as we continue to sit. The concern of the Members here is that medicine as defined in the Bill - I know we have not reached it - is very...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, this is the one amendment I support without further amendment. You can imagine the number of authorities, the number of boards, parastatals and State corporations that we have. If we were to require that the chairperson and the members of...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I have submitted my amendments through the Committee Legal Counsel, Madam Marlene Ayiro. She has gone to check them at the Speaker’s desk. May I, therefore, move as we wait for that amendment that you declare Clause 7 (a) and

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Let me say something briefly. Hon. Temporary Chairlady, Clause 5, as currently drafted, establishes the seat of the headquarters in Nairobi and gives the board the freedom to determine where the branches can be in Kenya. If the amendment by the committee is...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I support the Committee’s amendment and, more so, to Clause 3, which proposes that the term of service be reduced from four to three years so that it accords with the Mwongozo guidelines. However, I tend to believe that the...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The amendments by the Committee are very detailed. I need to remind Members that this particular clause is at the stem of this Bill if enacted. The Chairperson should have kindly given us the following clarifications: One, in...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I hope Hon. Kajwang’ is learning. I beg to move: 24th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 24 Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM)THAT, Clause 7 of the Bill be further amended by deleting Clause 7(a) and deleting Clause 7(b)....

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, this clause requires further amendments. I had signified to the Speaker that we would propose amendments to it. Whilst I support the amendments of the Committee, look at Clause 7 (a) and (b) . Are they necessary? You know we...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay town, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I support the amendment by Hon. (Dr) Nyikal safe to add that I am concerned at provisions we have like in Clause 22 (a) where we are prohibiting the sale of any medicine that is not registered by the Authority....

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. A Member: Put the Question. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari) : Order, Hon. Members. Let us listen to Hon. Kaluma and then Hon. Owen. Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady,...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, as I said before, I have proposed complete deletion of Clause 7. Remember, I said if there will be improvement, we may go from deletion to sustaining it. That is why I said I will support the amendment. It is...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, these amendments by Hon. Chairman are diluting very good provisions which are already put in terms of qualifications and appointment process for both the chairperson and members of the board. The board chairpersons and other appointments have been tribalised in...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Nothing. Leave the Bill as it is. I thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari) : Hon. Kaluma, I have looked at the Bill and amendments which do not have to be in Clause 8 (2) (a) of the...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Do you want me to read them?

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I support the amendment, but I have not heard the Mover speak to scheduled substances, and I regret the Bill does not say what scheduled substances are. Unless this is clarified, I would urge the Members to oppose....

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. Clause 8 speaks to the appointment of a non-executive chairperson appointed by the President. Remember we said that the Director-General of the Authority is the Chief Executive, who is a technical person. The phrase “non-executive” in the description...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I urge the Members present to reject the Committee’s amendment, so that Clause 5 of the Bill is passed as it is. It clearly states that the headquarters of the Authority shall be in Nairobi. They had drafted...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Clause 8 (2) (a) of the Bill says that the Board shall comprise— 24th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 26

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I am persuaded by the Chairperson that the nature of this work requires specialised personnel. I, therefore, request the Mover to delete the phrase ‘or any relevant field from a university.’ If we are saying it should be pharmacists or...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, the amendment Clause 13 (a) is appreciated because the provision in the Bill is too restrictive. It replaces ‘enter into association with’ with ‘collaborate.’ ‘Going into association’ is different and may be too difficult. That is an amendment that I...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) We must allow “compassionate” the way we had used… The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari) : Address the amendment on the Floor. Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) I am only saying that the amendment is good, but we should be alert...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I am relying on your great wisdom this afternoon. You have given Members a lot of latitude and this is how legislation is best done. I hear Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo to be saying that the clause he desired to...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. Just for clarity, when we passed Clause 13, we gave the Authority the powers to establish such committees as it may consider necessary for the performance of its function and the exercise of its powers under the Act....

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I support the amendments by the Committee. I propose that the best way to approach it is to complete deletion of Clause 7. I am, however, persuaded that the amendment by the Committee will improve this provision. I would, therefore,...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homabay Town, ODM) I support this amendment. The title of the Bill, as initially framed by the Hon. Temporary Chairlady, was the Kenya Drugs Authority Bill, and the authority was there for Kenya Drugs Authority. That was limiting, considering we are also dealing with technology. We are...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Hon. Speaker, you partly prosecuted the matter I wanted to raise with you. This is a very important Bill. The several amendments proposed, and I can confirm from pages 1479 to 1526, over 48 pages of the Order Paper today, are proposals by...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homabay Town, ODM) On a point of order. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari) : What is out of order, Hon. Kaluma? Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homabay Town, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, the Mover is misleading the House. The term “scheduled substances” was clearly defined in the Pharmacy...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I sit in the Committee. When this matter came before our Committee, we accepted the amendments save for the recommendation that they were substantive and would require amendment through a substantive Bill and not a Statute Law (Miscellaneous Amendments) Bill....

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) The Chair of the Departmental Committee on Education is misleading the House. If you look at the Fourth Schedule to the 11th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 40 Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM)The Chair needs to explain without misleading the House...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. This provision is too substantive for a Statute Law (Miscellaneous Amendments) Bill. I commend the Vice-Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs Committee for flagging it out. I wish other Chairpersons would also do the...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) I thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chair. The TSC mandate is in the Constitution. The TSC deals with the human resource component of the education sector at the national Government level. The TSC employs and manages matters of teachers in primary and...

Hon Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Hon. Temporary Speaker, let me join the Leader of the Majority Party in commending the good work that has been done by Members of Parliament in the House today. As a leader within the House, I also thank the leaders who sat through...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Chair The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Omboko Milemba) : Yes, Hon. Kaluma. Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) We have the text of the Bill, but the Mover has not explained the amendment so that we...

Hon Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Propose the Question but do not put the Question.

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM)Hon. Temporary Chairman, indeed, I do not have a right of reply but a contribution to matters. We requested clarity so that the amendment by the Justice and Legal Affairs Committee perfects the law. The Leader of the Majority has done well to read...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. Hon. (Dr) Nyikal, who has become a guru in parliamentary procedure, was raising the same issue that the Chair of the Department and Committee on Education raised. He was asking that, in as much as the House has...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Hon. Deputy Chairman, Hon. Irene is a nominated Member of Parliament under a party in which I also serve, the Orange Democratic Movement (ODM) Party. Let me go on record as excluding her from the condemnation she mentioned about. Her consistency in the...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. There is a big case backlog at the Court of Appeal, which is holding back necessary developments in terms of appeals that need to be determined. We need to increase the number of judges through more appointments. The...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Chairman. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Omboko Milemba) : Hon. Kaluma, what is out of order? Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairman, you know Hon. Shakeel heads some useless thing called APNAC, which...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Otherwise, I thank the Mover of this Bill because, for the first time, I have seen a Statute Law (Miscellaneous Amendments) Bill transacted in the manner it should. In past circumstances, the Leader of the Majority Party or Movers of those Bills did...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Hon. Deputy Chairman, I am corrected and a good beneficiary of the great wisdom of the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Education and Research. Being a former educationist, he knows better. The point I am making is that, in as much as...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM)That being the amendment proposed by the Chair of the Committee, I fully support it. It is for cleaning out the Bill so that we do not refer to laws that do not exist. I, therefore, support and thank the Chair of the Committee...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I oppose the amendment as moved by the Justice and Legal Affairs Committee Chairperson. I support the Bill as drawn. Hon. Pukose has not considered the amendment, but he is speaking to the amendment as per the Bill. The Chair...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I sit in the Committee. When this matter came before our Committee, we accepted the amendments save for the recommendation that they were substantive and would require amendment through a substantive Bill and not a Statute Law (Miscellaneous Amendments) Bill....

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) The Chair of the Departmental Committee on Education is misleading the House. If you look at the Fourth Schedule to the 11th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 40 Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM)The Chair needs to explain without misleading the House...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. This provision is too substantive for a Statute Law (Miscellaneous Amendments) Bill. I commend the Vice-Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs Committee for flagging it out. I wish other Chairpersons would also do the...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) I thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chair. The TSC mandate is in the Constitution. The TSC deals with the human resource component of the education sector at the national Government level. The TSC employs and manages matters of teachers in primary and...

Hon Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Hon. Temporary Speaker, let me join the Leader of the Majority Party in commending the good work that has been done by Members of Parliament in the House today. As a leader within the House, I also thank the leaders who sat through...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Chair The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Omboko Milemba) : Yes, Hon. Kaluma. Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) We have the text of the Bill, but the Mover has not explained the amendment so that we...

Hon Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Propose the Question but do not put the Question.

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM)Hon. Temporary Chairman, indeed, I do not have a right of reply but a contribution to matters. We requested clarity so that the amendment by the Justice and Legal Affairs Committee perfects the law. The Leader of the Majority has done well to read...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. Hon. (Dr) Nyikal, who has become a guru in parliamentary procedure, was raising the same issue that the Chair of the Department and Committee on Education raised. He was asking that, in as much as the House has...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Hon. Deputy Chairman, Hon. Irene is a nominated Member of Parliament under a party in which I also serve, the Orange Democratic Movement (ODM) Party. Let me go on record as excluding her from the condemnation she mentioned about. Her consistency in the...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. There is a big case backlog at the Court of Appeal, which is holding back necessary developments in terms of appeals that need to be determined. We need to increase the number of judges through more appointments. The...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Chairman. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Omboko Milemba) : Hon. Kaluma, what is out of order? Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairman, you know Hon. Shakeel heads some useless thing called APNAC, which...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Otherwise, I thank the Mover of this Bill because, for the first time, I have seen a Statute Law (Miscellaneous Amendments) Bill transacted in the manner it should. In past circumstances, the Leader of the Majority Party or Movers of those Bills did...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Hon. Deputy Chairman, I am corrected and a good beneficiary of the great wisdom of the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Education and Research. Being a former educationist, he knows better. The point I am making is that, in as much as...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM)That being the amendment proposed by the Chair of the Committee, I fully support it. It is for cleaning out the Bill so that we do not refer to laws that do not exist. I, therefore, support and thank the Chair of the Committee...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I oppose the amendment as moved by the Justice and Legal Affairs Committee Chairperson. I support the Bill as drawn. Hon. Pukose has not considered the amendment, but he is speaking to the amendment as per the Bill. The Chair...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I sit in the Committee. When this matter came before our Committee, we accepted the amendments save for the recommendation that they were substantive and would require amendment through a substantive Bill and not a Statute Law (Miscellaneous Amendments) Bill....

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) The Chair of the Departmental Committee on Education is misleading the House. If you look at the Fourth Schedule to the 11th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 40 Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM)The Chair needs to explain without misleading the House...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. This provision is too substantive for a Statute Law (Miscellaneous Amendments) Bill. I commend the Vice-Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs Committee for flagging it out. I wish other Chairpersons would also do the...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) I thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chair. The TSC mandate is in the Constitution. The TSC deals with the human resource component of the education sector at the national Government level. The TSC employs and manages matters of teachers in primary and...

Hon Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Hon. Temporary Speaker, let me join the Leader of the Majority Party in commending the good work that has been done by Members of Parliament in the House today. As a leader within the House, I also thank the leaders who sat through...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Chair The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Omboko Milemba) : Yes, Hon. Kaluma. Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) We have the text of the Bill, but the Mover has not explained the amendment so that we...

Hon Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Propose the Question but do not put the Question.

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM)Hon. Temporary Chairman, indeed, I do not have a right of reply but a contribution to matters. We requested clarity so that the amendment by the Justice and Legal Affairs Committee perfects the law. The Leader of the Majority has done well to read...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. Hon. (Dr) Nyikal, who has become a guru in parliamentary procedure, was raising the same issue that the Chair of the Department and Committee on Education raised. He was asking that, in as much as the House has...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Hon. Deputy Chairman, Hon. Irene is a nominated Member of Parliament under a party in which I also serve, the Orange Democratic Movement (ODM) Party. Let me go on record as excluding her from the condemnation she mentioned about. Her consistency in the...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. There is a big case backlog at the Court of Appeal, which is holding back necessary developments in terms of appeals that need to be determined. We need to increase the number of judges through more appointments. The...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Chairman. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Omboko Milemba) : Hon. Kaluma, what is out of order? Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairman, you know Hon. Shakeel heads some useless thing called APNAC, which...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Otherwise, I thank the Mover of this Bill because, for the first time, I have seen a Statute Law (Miscellaneous Amendments) Bill transacted in the manner it should. In past circumstances, the Leader of the Majority Party or Movers of those Bills did...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Hon. Deputy Chairman, I am corrected and a good beneficiary of the great wisdom of the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Education and Research. Being a former educationist, he knows better. The point I am making is that, in as much as...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM)That being the amendment proposed by the Chair of the Committee, I fully support it. It is for cleaning out the Bill so that we do not refer to laws that do not exist. I, therefore, support and thank the Chair of the Committee...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I oppose the amendment as moved by the Justice and Legal Affairs Committee Chairperson. I support the Bill as drawn. Hon. Pukose has not considered the amendment, but he is speaking to the amendment as per the Bill. The Chair...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) I thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I support this Motion in parts and oppose it in several parts. Number one, this Motion proposes that the amount that can be allocated towards bursary be increased beyond the 35 per cent restriction on limitation that...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Thank you. I am standing pursuant to Article 53 (1) (b) of the Constitution to ask the Temporary Speaker whether the proposed resolutions number one and two of this Motion, which I agree to be very important, are constitutional. I am seeking your...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homabay Town, ODM) Yes. We are, of course, not dealing with a Bill or voting. We are contributing to a Motion. We will be voting on it later. I support those reservations for clarity and good order in the House.

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) On a point of order.

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to ask the following Question directed to the National Police Service Commission. Could the Commission––

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker, for the opportunity to add my voice to this matter. Hon. Deputy Speaker, May I first join you and the House in welcoming the students and pupils who have come from across the country to observe...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) I thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I support this Motion in parts and oppose it in several parts. Number one, this Motion proposes that the amount that can be allocated towards bursary be increased beyond the 35 per cent restriction on limitation that...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Thank you. I am standing pursuant to Article 53 (1) (b) of the Constitution to ask the Temporary Speaker whether the proposed resolutions number one and two of this Motion, which I agree to be very important, are constitutional. I am seeking your...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homabay Town, ODM) Yes. We are, of course, not dealing with a Bill or voting. We are contributing to a Motion. We will be voting on it later. I support those reservations for clarity and good order in the House.

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) On a point of order.

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to ask the following Question directed to the National Police Service Commission. Could the Commission––

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker, for the opportunity to add my voice to this matter. Hon. Deputy Speaker, May I first join you and the House in welcoming the students and pupils who have come from across the country to observe...

Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Speaker for the honour to welcome all students from all learning institutions to the National Assembly which is the House of Parliament. Particularly, let me welcome Ogande Girls. At home we call the school the Brown Belt Movement. There is...